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A Victim Again: Fraudulent Home Equity Check

Posted on Apr 17, 2007 by Tom Fragala

Not a good way start to the day. I got a call at work this morning (9am PDT) from someone claiming to be from the Wells Fargo fraud department. I have several accounts at Wells, including checking, mortgage and home equity line. She says there was fraudulent activity using a check drawn against my home equity line: $47 to Pizza Hut.

Immediately bells went off—I don’t trust this person on the phone. You should NEVER trust someone that calls you either (even if the caller ID appears to be from a trustworthy company). Also, I know I don’t write checks on that equity line, so I am quickly trying to figure out in my head how the hell such a check would even be out there

Then, needing to confirm my identity, she asked me to tell her my full Social Security number on the phone! I say, “No way!” I explain to her that I don’t know if she’s from WF or not and I would never give my SSN over the phone anyway. Then she asks for the last 4 of the SSN. My defense shields are all the way up now, so I tell her no again (I want to probe her further, she might be pretexting me at this point, and remember, she called me so I don’t know who she is.)

Then, incredibly, she reads me my SSN over the phone and asked if it was a match!! Before she had actually confirmed who I was! I could have been anyone answering an old phone number. And this was the fraud department of Wells Fargo. After swallowing my tongue, I tell her that I won’t confirm or deny if it was accurate. Then she reads me my home equity line number. I quickly login to my online banking and I discovered she had the correct account number. I told her that any check to Pizza Hut on this account would be fraudulent, but I need to confirm this whole incident with Wells Fargo. I ask her name and what the department call back number is, and hang up. I call it immediately, it rings several times  (no auto attendant), with a odd few clicks in between, and a woman answers, “Wells Fargo fraud department.”  I ask the woman who answers if the woman who called me works there and she confirms it. Now, am I safe in assuming this number and the original call were valid?

No! The original caller might have given me a bogus call back number. I might have just called the Ukraine for all I know.

Now what? For more on what happens next, check back for updates.

Update 1 (2:30pm PDT 4/17/07): Got another call from the Wells Fargo fraud department. A second fraudulent draft was written against my account. But the story takes a different twist. This second check was not a promo/convenience check, but a totally counterfeit check written as a demand draft (no signature required) using the account and ABA routing numbers of the equity line. The payee on the instrument is a well known credit card issuer. So it seems likely this criminal wrote the check to used “pay by check” over the phone to pay off a credit card debt—if so, this is a highly traceable fraud (the WF fraud investigator agreed). Perhaps they wrote a fraudulent check did this to pay down a fraudulent credit card account so they could keep using it; that would be quite clever, but unlikely. The good news is that Wells caught this fraud before the instruments were posted to the account. So, for you fraud geeks out there, this falls under Regulation CC of the Federal Reserve (24 hours to dishonor a draft, no questions asked). Thanks to Wells Fargo fraud department for catching this (I’m not nearly as pleased with Wells Fargo marketing for mailing the checks in the first place. More on that later).

Update 2: (6pm PDT 4/19/07): Still only two fraudulent checks so far. The Wells Fargo fraud group placed a hold on my account on 4/17, so no further activity can take place. And they are sending me a package with a fraud affidavit and a form to transfer to a new account number. It’s supposed to take 5–10 business days to arrive—does that make any sense to you? What if it was a checking account, would they do the same thing?

More rotten news. I just got an alert from my credit monitoring service that says Wells Fargo bank performed a credit inquiry on me (a pull of my credit report)!! This will damage my credit score. Why would Wells Fargo do a credit pull on a fraud victim?! Federal and CA law clearly states there has to be a “permissible purpose” for any credit pull. Let’s recap: I’m a victim of check fraud and they do a credit pull? I have to guess that it has something to do with the fact the account was a home equity line, but it is still inexplicable to me. Is it because it gives them an opportunity to see if my credit status has changed so they can increase the interest rate? So I am an identity fraud victim and my bank uses this as an opportunity to hedge its risk, slamming my credit score in the process. And to make this situation worse, this all happened because Wells Fargo itself mailed me “convenience” checks—not at my request. (Did I mention that the convenience checks have the actual account and routing number on them?) I am furious.

Update 3: (4/25/07) Sorry for the lag in posting updates; we’re very busy here at Truston. A few days ago, as I was readying to file a police report I ran into an issue: I live in the unincorporated part of Santa Barbara county (close the city border), yet the first crime (check to Pizza Hut) certainly took place in the city and the criminal likely lives in the city. I called both the SB Sheriff and the SBPD and they both asked me, as they should, about the location to determine the appropriate jurisdiction. These jurisdictional issues often occur with ID theft. The bottom line in my case is that it is a toss-up: both county and city are reasonable places to file the report. I ended up taling to a SBPD detective who said to file it with them, so I swung down and filed the report yesterday at SBPD. I had already written up a narrative and I have maintained an extensive case log (with copies of the fraudulent drafts I received from Wells). I haven’t heard back yet from a detective.

On Monday 4/23 I received the fraud kit from Wells Fargo. It included copies of the fraudulent drafts, a fraud affidavit and a form to approve closing and transfer of the equity line to a new account number. They are removing the old account and our home equity line will not be accessible for three weeks. Can you imagine if we were in the middle of a remodel and needed the funds? They asked that the affidavit be notarized. There is no statutory requirement for victims to notarize a fraud affidavit. I talked someone at Wells Fargo fraud unit and they confirmed this. They simply want to put a little burden on people when reporting fraud and make them think twice before lying on an affidavit. A little deceptive, yes, but common practice. I sent it in NOT notarized.



Filed under: Fraud, Identity Theft, Tips

Tags: check+fraud, home+equity, pretexting, wells+fargo

Comments

Pete on Apr 20, 2007

Tom - sorry to hear about this mess. It might be worth contacting your state or U.S. legislators to let then know what's going on since a lot of their constituents have home equity loans or lines of credit.

Use this link to find for your state officials and their contact info: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html

I know your U.S. Representative is Lois Capps: http://www.house.gov/capps/contact.shtml.

And I'm sure you know the U.S. senators are Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein.

Mar on May 3, 2007

I, too, am a victim of identity theft involving Wells Fargo. Although I have had an account with them for six years and have never been late or slow on a credit card payment, Wells Fargo has been treating me very poorly. Yes, I agree that victims go through a tremendous amount of ordeal, so why then, do creditors treat us as though we are the perpetrators of this crime instead of the victims?

If you think Wells Fargo was "loose" with your security by sending you those checks without your request, they have also compromised several thousand of their customer's personally identifiable data. If I recall the number correctly, I remember reading that on one occasion, Wells gave one of their consultants about 750,000 of their customer's personal account information, which was stolen from the consultant's briefcase which he left in a car. And how did Wells Fargo respond to this??? They offered "Credit Protection" services, AT A COST, to their customers.

In my situation, Wells Fargo sent me a brand new credit card for an existing account without reason. When I inquired as to why they did this, they told me because my security may have been compromised, and they were just doing that with several customers as a precaution. Then, when I did become a victim of identity theft less than a year later, they have been using hard sell tactics to push me into buying their identity theft program (which is a rip-off for what is offered). Yes, three times this was pushed on me...even when I was closing the account they told me that I could still buy their product!!!

All of this has lead me to believe the banks are profiting from their inability to keep our information safe, and I'm left wondering if American isn't being scammed by the big banks! (After all, they are profit driven and have to answer to their stockholders.)

Thanks for the post...it's nice knowing other people have also noticed Wells Fargo is, ironically, not concerned about protecting their customer's identity and personal information.

Jami on Oct 8, 2007

I was recently contacted by Wells Fargo asking to verify a "cash on demand" check that I had cashed. I told them I didn't know anything about it. They explained that 2 months prior that had sent a $1000 check in my name to an address I haven't lived for 3 years. I still own the property and have been renting it out over this period of time. My renters have deposit access to my bank account set up for their rent checks. Someone at my property received the WF check and signed my name and deposited it in to my account. Now, WF is going after me to repay the money. I have told them it is fraud. I had no knowledge of the check until I was contacted by them. I told them I haven't even lived in the same state as the house for 3 years. How is this my problem? Because it was deposited into my bank account. I have contacted the renters, the police and WF fraud investigation and seem to be getting nowhere. I have been told my credit is now going to be ruined for this stupid check of which I've never seen an account number or a statement let alone the check itself. It was not solicited and no one will take any responsibility for it. If I thought I hated Wells Fargo before, this seals the deal.

Mary Louise on Nov 16, 2008

I am trying to get a postal mailing address for Wells Fargo fraud department. I need to snail-mail them some copies of documents to prove I was a victim of fraud via an internet free-trial offer. I've found that complaints handled through the mail get far better results than on the phone. On the phone it's "your tough luck". If anyone has the direct address, I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks.

Tom F on Nov 17, 2008

To get the mailing address for fraud department of Wells Fargo, call them and ask for it. In fact, you should call first anyway to report fraud. Usually they will mail you a kit with a fraud affidavit and the address to mail it to.

Call first. That's what we have you do with our mytruston service.

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